Litany of Offensive "Lefebvrisms"
Recently I replied to an apologist for the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) who complained in a post to the Liturgy and Sacraments section [Scroll to Message #46 ] of Karl Keating's Catholic Answers Forum:Well, let's see who are the "very very angry" ones:"SeanAngry? I am, simply, doing penance for my sins. Schism IS a most serious sin. To see so many good persons become involved in serious sin which, possibly, involves the loss of souls, for the lack of solid information - that is a tragedy compounded. As for the Jews? Because of other events - ought I not attempt to lessen anti-semetism? After all, Jesus, Mary and most of the Apostles were Jews (or Judeans), weren't they? Ought I to tolerate attacks on THEM because some of the descendents of "the Jews" today do naughty things?
You are very very angry at SSPX, why is that may I ask? And your protection of Jews is admirable, but I think that they have about 1,000 Jewish organizations and shark Lawyers scouring the websites looking for something they can insinuate is anti-semitic so they can launch one big lawsuit."
Extracts from an Interview with Michael Davies
- November 1976
Firstly: Archbishop Lefebvre agreed with the propositions that
- "Vatican II was an Ecumenical Council properly convoked by the reigning Pontiff according to the accepted norms.";
- He accepted "that its official documents were voted for by a majority of the Council Fathers and validly promulgated by the reigning Pontiff."; and then he disagreed with the next allegation:
- That "you intend to consecrate one or more bishops to continue your work. Is this true?" "Mgr. Lefebvre: It is totally untrue."
["A Letter To Confused Catholics", by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Fowler Wright Books Ltd for The Society of St Pius X, p. 116, 1986.]
WHAT ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE SAID/DID NEGATIVELY:
- Nov. 21, 1974
"Lefebvre castigates Vatican II, declaring the reform of Vatican Council II to be entirely corrupt, coming from and resulting in heresy; it is not possible for any faithful Catholic to adopt or submit to it in any way, but that it is to be categorically refused. He says that he held firmly to all that has been believed and practiced in matters of faith, morals, worship, catechetical instruction, priestly formation, Church institutions, and such things codified in the books which appeared before the Modernist influence of the Council. Rome is neo-modernist and neo-protestant. It is impossible for any alert Catholic to adopt or submit to it in any way at all."
[Declaration of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre "Catholic", Jan 87, p6., and EC‘NE FULL STOP, Fortes in Fide, by Fr Noťl Barbara.]
- May 15, 1976
"Bugnini denied the charge that he was a Freemason, both during the summer of 1975 and in the years that followed. He maintained it was a false and calumnious charge until his dying day." [...] "Despite Bugnini's denials, the charges continued to be repeated. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, by the mid-1970's already on a collision course with Rome, told his friends and benefectors that 'until 1975 the principal director of liturgical reforms at the Vatican was a Freemason.' (Lettre aux amis et bienfaiteurs [d'Econe], no. 10, May 15, 1976" - as reported by Dr. Robert Moynihan The Bitter Struggle
It appears that the only evidence is polemical and circumstantial. No actual verifiable evidence appears to have surfaced to verify the calumny.
- July 29, 1976
On this day, under the shock of the suspension a divinis, Mgr. Lefebvre declared: "This conciliar church is a schismatic church because it breaks with the Catholic Church of the centuries ..." "This conciliar church is schismatic because it has taken as the basis for its updating principles opposed to those of the Catholic Church." "The church which affirms errors like these is both schismatic and heretical. This conciliar church is thus not Catholic."
- Aug 4, 1976
Mgr. Lefebvre treats the conciliar church, its hierarchy and particularly its "pope" as schismatic: "All those who cooperate in the application of this upheaval, accept and adhere to this new conciliar church ... enter into schism."
[Le Figaro, Aug. 4, 1976. EC‘NE FULL STOP, Fortes in Fide, by Fr Noťl Barbara.]
- June 29, 1976
Archbishop Lefebvre derisively stated on the occasion of his suspension from the administration of the Sacraments by Paul VI:
"We are suspended a divinis by the Conciliar Church and for the Conciliar Church, to which we have no wish to belong. That Conciliar Church is a schismatic Church, because it breaks with the Catholic Church that has always been. It has its new dogmas, its new priesthood, its new institutions, its new worship, all already condemned by the Church in many a document, official and definitive...
"The Church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is, therefore, not Catholic. To whatever extent Pope, Bishops, priests, or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church."
[Reflections on Suspension "a divinis" by Msgr. Marcel Lefebvre.]
- Mar. 19, 1978
Today he says: "The Catholic-protestant mass, a spring henceforth poisoned which produces incalculable ravages. The ecumenical mass leads logically to apostasy."
[Lettre aux amis et bienfaiteurs No. 14. Mar. 19, 1978.]
- Nov. 8, 1979
Up to the 8 November 1979 Declaration, Lefebvre had called the Roman Catholic Church (the so-called "Conciliar Church") "the official church which is not the Church." (Conference at Vienne, 9 September 1975), and "a schismatic church."
[Allocution at the rally of international Catholic associations, 20 April 1976.]
- By 1986
the tone of the Archbishop's language had degenerated to the point where he described the post Conciliar reformed liturgy and Sacraments in this way:
"All these (pre Pope John XXIII) Popes have resisted the union of the Church with the revolution; it is an adulterous union and from such a union only bastards can come. The rite of the new mass is a bastard rite, the sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know if they are sacraments which give grace or do not give it. The priests coming out of the seminaries are bastard priests, who do not know what they are. They are unaware that they are made to go up to the altar, to offer the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ and to give Jesus Christ to souls."
["Apologia Pro Archbishop Lefebvre", Vol. 1, pp. 347/8, published by The Angelus Press, 1979, and "An Open Letter To Confused Catholics", by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Fowler Wright Books Ltd for The Society of St Pius X, p. 116, 1986.]
- "Now in the Catholic religion it is the priest who celebrates Mass; it is he who offers the bread and wine. The notion of 'president' has been borrowed directly from Protestantism"
["An Open Letter To Confused Catholics", by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Fowler Wright Books Ltd for The Society of St Pius X, p. 22, 1986.]
- August 29, 1987
"The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome being occupied by anti-Christs, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below, especially through the corruption of the Holy Mass which is both the splendid expression of the triumph of Our Lord on the Cross — Regnavit a Ligno Deus — and the source of the extension of His kingdom over souls and over societies."
[Letter to the Future Bishops]
- Sept. 4, 1987
"Rome has apostacised, the Roman churchmen are quitting the Church, their program of de-christianising society is an abomination."
[Lefebvre "in a conference to Society priests at EcŰne. "Catholic", Dec 87, p1.]
WHAT LEFEBVRIST CLERICAL MEMBERS SAID NEGATIVELY:
- Oct. 3, 1984
On the Decree of the Roman Congregation for Divine Worship (released 15/10/84) to the Presidents of Episcopal Conferences, Fr. Richard Williamson stated: "While acknowledging that a Pope may legitimately introduce a new rite of Mass, we can never admit that a rite, departing so far from Tradition as the Novus Ordo Missae is, as such, legitimate or doctrinally sound." "THE VATICAN DECREE" "Catholic", Dec 84, p.4.
- March 16, 1986
Fr Augustine Cummins, C.Ss.R. claimed that Fr. Franz Schmidberger's (the Superior General of the SSPX) Letter To Friends and Benefactors No. 30. March 16, 1986
Contained an historical error involving a point of Catholic Doctrine - "the implication would be that the prayer of Christ was NOT efficacious. Such a conclusion would, of course, be nothing short of blasphemy." - ("Catholic", July-Aug. 1986, p.3.). [Schmidberger had claimed that Liberius was a heretic. F.J.L.]
In Sherbrook, Quebec, he [Bishop Richard Williamson] said, "there was not one Jew killed in the gas chambers. It was all lies, lies, lies. The Jews created the Holocaust so we would prostrate ourselves on our knees before them and approve of their new State of Israel.... Jews made up the Holocaust, Protestants get their orders from the devil, and the Vatican has sold its soul to liberalism."
- August 27 1994
"Instead of signing useless petitions all those who want the traditional mass should join our ranks and show Rome a united front and boycott the new mass, the new clergy, in fine, this new religion..." (Fr Jean Violette, Letter to Faithful, August 27, 1994.)
"One of the conditions for the granting of the 'favour' is that the new mass be recognized as being as good as the traditional Mass..." [Ibid.]
"THIS INDULT IS AN INSULT. IT IS NOT FOR US...,we do not accept the new mass as lawful...an adulterous union with its bastard fruits...we want the concubine gone...we hope and pray...for the condemnation and total disappearance of the new mass...the traditional mass...IS THE ONLY FORM OF WORSHIP ACCEPTABLE TO GOD. The new mass is not." [Ibid.]
"...instead of turning to God, instead of asking the faithful to pray and sacrifice, instead of taking the supernatural means, he [the pope] is taking the worldly diplomatic means." (Ibid.)
- October 7, 1994
This was followed up with quotations from Archbishop Lefebvre of unstated date: Regarding '"..our enemies on the other side...'celebrating the Tridentine Mass...THEY ARE BETRAYING US...they are doing the devil's work.' " (Fr Jean Violette, Letter to Faithful, October 7, 1994.)
- November 1, 1994
As to "conservative" Catholics: "...to associate in friendship or solidarity with them is implicitly to betray the Catholic Faith..." (Fr Jean Violette, Letter to Faithful, November 1, 1994.)
- January 21, 1995
"...what I hold as the true religion is other than (emphasis added) the Catholic Church held up to Pius XII..." (Fr. Jean Violette letter to F. John Loughnan.).
"'The Pope, the bishops in union with him and the vast majority of Catholics who worship God in a way other than the way employed by the Society are deemed to be in a new religion.' Yes absolutely!" (Ibid.)
"...the fact that I refuse to cooperate with the Ecclesia Dei people...the Society of St Peter or Dom Gerard...I want nothing to do with them either...the Ecclesia Dei movement here in Australia... they must also agree that the new mass is good...and most of them accept the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre." (Ibid.)
"...I deny the Catholic Church since Vatican II; I concede." (Ibid.);
- March 1, 1995
"...there are...at least 23 different Catholic rites in the Church (the novus ordo not included)..." (Fr. Jean Violette, District "Letter to Friends"; "Mr Pickford says: 'The Pope, the bishops in union with him and the vast majority of Catholics who worship God in a way other than the way employed by the Society are deemed to be in a new religion.' Yes absolutely!..." (Fr Jean Violette, Letter to F.J. Loughnan, January 21, 1995, and Letter to Faithful, Mar. 1, 1995.)
"Mr Pickford says: 'Father Violette establishes his belief that what he holds as true religion is other than what the Catholic Church holds as true religion.' I distinguish; what I hold as the true religion is other than (he actually means "what", F.J.L.) the Catholic Church held up to Pius XII (sic.!!!); I deny, the Catholic Church since Vatican II; I concede."(!!!) (Ibid.)
- July 28, 1996
Fr Kevin Robinson of Hampton, Australia, during the Sermon on the Novus Ordo stated that Archbishop Lefebvre
Regarding the New Mass: "...it is of itself a danger to the faith and is intrinsically evil ...I am denying what Mr Davies says you cannot: the New Mass is an official Mass of the Catholic Church."; (that is, he positively affirms that the New Mass is NOT an official Mass of the Catholic Church). (Fr James Peek, Holy Cross Seminary Bulletin, July 3, 1996.)
- "Had NEVER described it as being invalid, nor heretical, nor not fulfilling the Sunday obligation.
- At the same time, he had NEVER described it as being in the contrary sense," i.e., NOT BEING invalid, nor NOT BEING heretical, "nor AS fulfilling the Sunday obligation, and had never said it himself." (Of course, he did not disclose that Lefebvre had actively participated in the Novus Ordo!!! Please refer to 30/6/1980 Item in opposite column.
- September 18, 1996
"Our rejection of the Novus Ordo must be absolute ... attend it?...only (as) for attending non-catholic functions...(a) sin...if he is aware of (it's) nocivity (sic)...If I were ever to say the New Mass, know that I would be committing a mortal sin..." (Fr James Peek, Holy Cross Seminary Bulletin, Sept. 18, 1996.)
- October 1996
"...when I said the Novus Ordo is intrinsically evil...what is meant is that the New Mass, as it was published in 1969, objectively, taken in itself, regardless of the priest, and not only the abuses which followed, is bad, is evil." (Fr Jean Violette, Letter to Faithful, October 1996.)
- July/August 1998 "The dissimulation of Catholic elements and the pandering to Protestants that are evident in the New Mass do render it a danger to our faith and, as such, evil in itself."
"Archbishop Lefebvre himself preferred to avoid the term 'intrinsically evil' because it does lend itself to misrepresentation." Cf.. CATHOLIC Nov. 1996. p.6 (A Rome and Econe Handbook, by Frs Jean Violette and James Peek) and
"A ROME AND ECONE HANDBOOK" [Fr V and Fr P July/Aug. 1998]
- May 1997
"The extermination of Jews by the Nazis could only be the doing of an anti-Christian regime. The Church for its part has at all times forbidden and condemned the killing of Jews even when 'their grave defects rendered them odious to the nations among which they were established.' " ...All this makes us think that the Jews are the most active artisans for the coming of antichrist." (Bishop Tissier de Malleraise, "Catholic", May 1997, under the title, "The Jews in Latter Times".)
- April 1, 1998
(Regarding 'The corruption of the Holy Mass' spoken of by Archbishop Lefebvre in 1988)..."in the majority of churches still operating, it is the abomination of desolation and a mockery of the truth which have replaced the Holy of Holies..." (Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Society of St Pius X, Letter To Friends And Benefactors, 25 March 1998 - reproduced in the Holy Cross Seminary Letter To Friends And Benefactors, 1st April 1998.)
- Jan. 1, 2000
"Do not support priests who are willing to celebrate the New Mass, even on occasion..." (Fr. Peter Scott, District Letter).
- May 2000
A Call to Schism!: "Remember that if you cannot get to the true Catholic Mass celebrated by a good traditionalist priest, you should not attend the New Mass OR the Indult Mass, and this even if it is the only traditional Mass available." (Fr. Peter Scott, Regina Coeli Report, May 2000.)
- December 6, 2002
Bishop Richard Williamson: "In conclusion, these more or less Conciliar 'canonizations' are correspondingly fallible, and are automatically not infallible. Obviously Padre Pio was an entirely Traditional Saint, and we need not doubt the worthiness of his canonization. However, it might be advisable not to profit by his Newchurch 'canonization' to venerate him officially or in public, insofar as that might be liable to give to other Newchurch 'canonizations' a credit which is not due to them."
SOME COMMENTS FROM SSPX TYPE "traditionalists":
- Hilary La Praz
- re: The Flat Earth Society and SSPX Type "TRADITIONALISTS"
"Bull shit and wild honey!!!"
In another place, on March 10, 2000, the same Hilary uttered the following imprecation against Sean ” LachtnŠin:"WE ARE THE ROMAN CATHOLICS PRESERVING THE TRUE FAITH FOR THE NOW AND FOR THE TOMORROW UNDER THE GREAT ORDER OF THE CATHOLIC SSPX...true, Sean, you may be Catholic but are you a good Catholic?....I know I am...and may the curse of Mary Malone and her nine blind illegitimate children chase you so far over the hills of damnation that the Lord himself can't find you with a telescope!!"The following on March 10, 2000 from the lovely lady: "Since its almost St Patrick's day a little Irish ditty to Sean...... HERE'S TO WINE, MEN AND SONG. HERE'S TO WORKDAYS, THAT AREN'T TOO LONG. HERE'S TO SHOES THAT ALWAYS FIT... AND HERE'S TO SEAN, THE SILLY SH**T!!!"
- "Tradcat" - another SSPXer:
- On the same web-file:
"You are a crackpot and need true mental care. Go check yourself into the local happy farm."
- Jason Baran: SSPXer and anti-semite
- Refer: brickbats and Bouques
"Subject: Novus Ordo Heretics Will Burn in Hell
"Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:14:54 -0700 (PDT)
"All followers of Antipope John-Paul II, and those who attend the satanic Novus Ordo 'Mass' will not escape the fires of Hell. The schismatic Novus Ordo sect, lead by antipope John-Paul II is not the Roman Catholic Church, but the whore of Babylon!
"Homo deterrime! Sublesta fide. Corruptor iuventutis!
"I've read the slanderous lies you've told about me on your satanic website. br. Michael Dimond has nothing to do with my refusal to practice the counterfeit religion that was concocted at Vatican II. I obey Tradition and infallible Papal Bulls like Quo Primum Tempore that states that ANYONE who would ever attempt to make a 'New Mass' would incur the wrath of Almighty God and the blessed Apostles Peter and Paul. I also notice that like a good Communist, you think we should marry off our daughters to Negroes and bow down to Christ-killing Jews. If you do not renounce your heresy, I pray God that I live to see the day when the likes of you will be put to death as a heretic according to due process of law."
- Rev. Dr. "X" a New York Archdiocesan priest:
- Refer: brickbats on "An Open Letter to Confused 'traditionalists'"
Sat, 1 Apr 2000
"Thank you for your 'open letter' to 'confused traditionalists.' Your writing illustrates an already established observation, namely that liberals like yourself, are very good at Naziism."
"If you bother to subject the writings, and speeches and practices of JP2 to the same nazi style analysis as you applied to Archbishop Lefebvre, you could conceivably discover an anti Christ. The one consoling fact that keeps me on the right side of the de facto schism is that there is simply NO ONE to take the place of the Nazi liberal pigs, like yourself who have destroyed our Churches, perverted our Catholic Faith, poisened our children with the vilest of heresies, and removed the Holy Sacrament from our midst. You have no one to take your place, and your filthy deeds will die with you."
[I add: The good priest DID apologise for his remarks. F.J.L.]
- Rick Cox - Officer of "The Sovereign Military Order of St John of Jerusalem - OSJ"
- On: brickbats from an OSJite Official
"I read what you posted about John brindle.
"I don't know him, but (based on what I get from you) I like him.
"Attached is a photo of the current pope. I can tell that you are a great admirer of this man so I am sure that you will like the photo of him kissing the Koran. After all, what can a grand apostate like JPII find to argue against a grand heretic like Mohammed?
"I do not claim that John Paul II is not the pope. I claim that he is an apostate, a heretic, a bad pope, and a bad man.
"However, I do believe in and practice the religion of the popes -- all of the popes up to John XXIII. As far as I know, they all TAUGHT the religion of Jesus of Nazareth. That is not to say that they all made a good practice of it, but (at least) they TAUGHT it.
"Furthermore, they did not replace the Holy Mass with a damnable sacrilegious insult to Our Lord and pretend that it is a real Mass.
"This New Conciliar Religion is not Catholicism. Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear knows that. If YOU had a Catholic education in your youth, YOU know it."
- Prakash Mascarenhas - an Orthopapist (a "sort of" sede-vacantist):
- "... There is however, a big difference between INCULTURATION, and SPIRITUAL FORNICATION. This latter is what Sri Abominationeshwara Karol Wojtyla does, thus meriting for himself the title of the Chief Disciple and Preceptor of the 'Saints Oolla and Ooliba' (Eze. 23) and of their father Balaam (Num.31: 16). And not the least, the LYING POLE!
"...Ought you not to take a break, and rehabilitate your intelligence? (Only an idiot will argue that a man can be called antipope only in opposition to another claimant. If a man's claim to a position is false, he is a pretender, whether or not there is a true claimant.)
"...Loughnan, it seems, is either an outright lunatic, or is desperately trying to get there. It pains me to say so. But consider the extraordinary charges he lays against me for the use of the name Balaam to describe the antipopes Roncalli through Wojtyla.
- Patrick Johnson
- Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002
"I just have to reply to some of the articles you have written in recent times with regard to the Society of Saint Pius X. I must say 'Sir' that you are an idiot who has deprived some poor village somewhere in the world of a village idiot. Amazing isn't it that a man ejeculates millions of sperm in a sexual act yet somehow you snuck in there, and here we are with the greatest moron of all times. You 'sir' obviously have more time on your hands than sense, and in attempting to profile someone of your ilk, I would guess that you are narcissistic, self opinionated, fat, inert, inept, incompetent, impotent, uneducated and I bet the Australian Tax Payer supports you. One Hundred and thirty six pages..hmmmm No wonder Ratzinger had his minion Perl reply.
"I might be a convert to the Catholic Church, and one does not need to be a Rhodes Scholar to notice what is actually going on. You shite head are no Henry VIII, no. you can never be known as Defender of the Faith...Dickhead of the Faith more likely.
"I am just glad that there are probably not many like you in this world.....afterall we know God is Merciful and the chances of your clone or others like you are mercifully few and far between. It is people such as you who reinforce the Therory of Evolution, and support the argument for abortion.
"Yours in contempt"
- Thomas Sparks a.k.a. "tommythe lesser"
- Date: Tue. 13 Aug 2002
"Louton, you must be a queer to bitch so much. Admit it, you are a sad old queer with nothing better to do."
[ I must add here that Thomas Sparks, of who I had much to say in "The Jews" - judging by his re-vamped website at Roman Catholicism Org. - has has a remarkable reversion to the Church. Glory and thanks be to God! F.J.L.]
- David Ycavall
- Date: Sat. 9 Aug. 2003
"("F" word deleted) asshole!!!"
All that I can say is: please pray for the deliverance of these poor souls from their torment. The above represent just a few examples of the "objectionable" attitudes of the SSPX members and adherents to the SSPX. Of course, other so-called "traditionalists" are even more objectionable in many instances.
- I became aware of a file on Prakash Mascarenhas' website:
Pursuant to several exchanges between myself, "Sean O L" and "Fr. Ambrose" (a Russian Orthodox priest located in New Zealand) on the "Catholic Community Forum" (Refer: http://www.catholic-forum.com/dcforum/tradition/317.html ) where, as a matter of "old-fashioned" courtesy (At the time I was 70 years of age) I had respectfully commenced my posts with "Dear Fr. Ambrose" and he had replied: "Dear Sean", Mr Mascarenhas falsely, maliciously and libelously defamed both myself and Fr. Ambrose in the following manner:
He wrote:PLEASE NOTE:
"The reader is requested to read the above exchange – this love-feast between 'Sean O L' and 'Dear Fr. Ambrose' – carefully before proceeding, since what I have written hereafter, although harsh, is in context of this 'loving inter-exchange.
"I hope also, that the reader will have noted this strange, abnormal spectacle: this 'love-feast' between two viscious anti-Catholics, their coy courtship of each other, with dainty, mincing steps"
"Such men are 'Matt1916', Karl Keating, Robert Fox, brian Harrison, David Armstrong, etc. Simulators of Catholicism, simulating Catholics! And then there are the 'Three Muskereers' of Infernum, self-appointed apologists of Satan: John Loughnan, William Grossklas and james Akin. Loughnan is the subject of this article."
Then he proceeds to expose the home addresses and other details of myself and William Grossklas. He continues:
"This is the Internet Confraternity of the Itching Ears – League of Modernist Mountebanks, over which Sean ” LachtnŠin presides, with the able and valuable assistance of Grossy William and the effeminate James Akin as Common Catamite!"
"The entire exchange between Loughnan and his darling friend, the heretic and schismatic 'Dear Fr. Ambrose' evokes a sodomitical relationship between two queers in love with each other, and engaging in a public 'love-fest', sodomising each other!
"Dear ” Lactating falls all over himself in order to placate his darling butch 'Fr. Ambrose'! "
"Let me point out to the reader the implications of this 'love-feast' between these sodomites:"
"Likewise our sodomitical friend pontificates"
"And, what is more, unlike the homosexual Sean ” Lactating and his darling butch 'Fr. Ambrose' our darling sodomite pretends "
"Yipee! Three hurrahs for queenie Loughnan!"
There is no foundation whatsoever in the claims of Mr Prakash Mascarenhas for me to my being anything other than a normal heterosexual male - happily and faithfully married since September 24, 1960 to my wife, Norma. We have three childres, born in 1965, 1966 and 1967. In fact, I state unequivocally, that I have never been, nor had any inclination towards anything other than heteroxexuality.
Mr Mascarenhas continued,
DEMEANING AND HARASSING ATTITUDES TOWARDS THE POST-VATICAN II POPES, POPE JOHN PAUL II IN PARTICULAR; AND TO THOSE WHO ARE IN UNION WITH HIM:
1. "Loughnan's darling heresiarch and arch-Satanist, Wojytla, it is true, is extremely, frantically, running around, apologizing to one and all for the Offense that Christ. His claims and His Cross, represents, even as he frantically runs about offending Christ, sinning against the First Commandment It is a toss-up which of these is the greater evil the greater abomination!
"This monster (Wojtyla), the Mahatma Abominationishwara, is also the Patron of Sexual deviancies, of the sexual abuse perpetrated by his 'clerics', and which he himself religiously practices:
"If being a fornicator constitutes his 'Supreme qualification' to be Pope, then, in truth, Larry Flynt is far better qualified!"
2. "These men were William Grossklas, F. John Loughnan and James Akin. The principle issue which I had taken up with them was the reception, by their Heresiarch Wojtyla – the Mahatma Abominationishwara,
" they are agents of Roman Modernism, an apostate sect, and are motivated by a passionate hatred for Christ and His Church, and by a hysteric fear that souls may escape from the Maws of their foul sect, from the Program of Damnation – the New Penticost, the New Springtime, the New Age, the New Order, the Age of Aquarius – inaugurated by their Heresiarch Roncalli and presently administered by their Heresiarch Wojtyla – the 'Lying Pole!' "
(Refer: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/yurchyklog.html )
3. "However, even so, I need to state that I along with very many persons, have refused to abandon the Catholic Faith following its Protestatantization in 1958-1965 under Roncalli ('John XXIII'), Montini ('Paul VI'), Luciani ('John-Paul I'), and Karol Wojtyla ('John-Paul II'), whom, under the principles of Pope Paul IV's Bull, Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio we entirely and absolutely refuse to recognize, both as 'popes' and all their pretended acts, teachings, etc."
"I admit Pope Michael (http://PopeMichael.Homestead.com)."
(Refer URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goa-Goans/message/9745 )
In other words, while claiming to be a Catholic, he believes, contrary to c. 99.9% of Catholics who are in union with the Holy See in Rome, that the visible occupants of the papal See in Rome are not Popes at all, but, that an obscure man in Wyoming, Pope Michael, a.k.s. David Bawden is the true pope.
(Refer: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/tuespetrus.html )
He goes on to say in another place:
"Further to this, I had even investigated the various persons who had claimed to be the Pope. After a process of elimination, I had been left with just three: Michael I, Linus II and Pius XIII. Originally, I had rejected each of these three as being defective and thus not having achieved the papacy. However, subsequently, I did a reinvestigation, and found that the Claim of Pope Michael I is true and valid."
(Refer: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/jfquery.html )
4. " I write regarding a page written by William Grossklas – one of that pack of three rabid and self-constituted guard-dogs – Alpha Loughnan, Beta Grossklass and the joker-pup Akin – of the apostate Modernist sect, the Antichurch
" P.S.: See more on these three dogs "
(Refer URL: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/giuffreklass.html )
5. Referring to Fr. brian Harrison, whom he calls "Mr Harrison" as "surpassing such persons as Dave Armstrong, William Most, Keating, 'Matt1618' and the Akin, Loughnan and Grossklas" as "emerged as the greatest ideological justificatory for Antichurch and Antipope "
In other words, he describes the Catholic Church and its adherents who are in communion with the Pope in Rome as being members of an "Apostate sect" under an "antipope" (John Paul II) – as opposed to himself who adhered to Pope Michael/David Bawden.
(Refer URL: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/ahah2.html )
6. Describes "Apologists for the AntiChurch
"John Loughnan | William Grossklas | James Atkin | John Mark Ockerbloom – Now Inactive? | David Armstrong | Alfred Morselli "
(Refer URL: http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/links.html )
7. "Here is the relevant extract from the Talmud, as found in the writings of the notorious anti-catholic Neo-Con, F. John Loughnan: "
(Refer URL: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/phinees.html )
8. "Now I have found the pages of the Abbe de nantes on La salette, and also those of the notorious anti-Catholic, John Loughnan, in which he (John Loughnan) exposes this message as a fraud."
(Refer URL: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/sols.html )
9. "Thirdly, this is become a Scandal, with apologists of the New Church accusing us of being in cahoots with the Feeneyites such as the Diamonds. I learnt only from one such New Church apologist, John Loughnan, that the Dimonds are Feeneyites, although I now have personal confirmation from Peter Dimond."
(Refer URL: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/adfeeney.html )
FOSTERING HATRED TOWARDS THE JEWS
1. "[ ]
"We have Jews, through their dupes, waging savage, horrendous war with no real provocation whatsoever. We have a systematically organized effort to subvert and seduce members of a particular religion and also states. All this by a specific sect: the Jews
" In sum then, we have seen and found that the Jews are obsessively Christophobic, and that towards this end, for the last so many centuries, they have secretly conspired and instigated rebellions, revolutions and bloody persecutions after bloody persecutions against Christianity and Christians.
" we have been besieged by their paymasters, guides, zelators and organizers: the Jews
"We see that the Jews are our inveterate enemies "
(Refer URL: http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/ptpt.html )
MICHAEL DAVIES ON THE NEGATIVE ASSERTIONS:In response to statements made by some SSPX priests in Australia Mr Michael Davies responded with: 33
- "The Roman Rite, to which the overwhelming majority of Catholics belong, is considered as equivalent to the universal Church. It is thus incompatible with the profession of the Catholic Faith to claim that any liturgical rite approved by the Roman Pontiff for universal use, above all the rite of Mass, could be invalid, contain heresy, or harm souls...
"It is thus, to put it mildly, theologically untenable to maintain that 'the New Mass is not a Catholic liturgy ... is in itself a danger to the faith and is intrinsically evil.' and is not 'an official Mass of the Catholic Church'...
"To deny the Catholic character of the New Mass constitutes an explicit denial of the divine authority of the Pope and must therefore be considered a schismatic act. To state that the New Mass is intrinsically evil is also blasphemous...
"The question as to whether the New Mass is or is not intrinsically evil must be decided by our acceptance or rejection of the fact that Paul VI was a true Pope. If he was then the New Mass is an official Catholic Mass. Those who deny that Paul VI was a true Pope are schismatic and their opinion is of no relevance to members of the indefectible Church founded by Our Lord." Catholic, Oct. 96, p. 9.
In my opinion, the words of Bishop Fernando Rifan, of Campos, brazil reflect the true attitude which faithful Catholics ought to follow:"Some persons have questioned the occasional participation of Dom Fernando and some of his priests in Masses celebrated in the Rite of Paul VI.
"Dom Fernando is a Catholic bishop, member of the Catholic episcopate, in communion with the Holy Father the Pope. Thus, like every Catholic bishop, even those of a different rite, he must demonstrate this full communion practically.
"No one can be Catholic while remaining in an attitude of refusal of communion with the Pope and with the Catholic episcopate. In fact, the Church defines as schismatic those who refuse to submit to the Roman Pontiff or to remain in communion with the other members of the Church who are his subjects (canon 751).
"Now, to refuse continually and explicitly to participate in every and any Mass in the rite celebrated by the Pope and by all the bishops of the Church while judging this rite, in itself, incompatible with the Faith, or sinful, represents a formal refusal of communion with the Pope and with the Catholic episcopate.
"The objective fact cannot be denied that the rite of Paul VI is the official rite of the Latin Church, celebrated by the Pope and by all the Catholic episcopate.
"If we consider the New Mass in itself, in theory or in practice, as invalid or heretical, sacrilegious, heterodox, sinful, illegitimate or not Catholic, we would have to hold the theological conclusions of this position and apply them to the Pope and the entire episcopate residing in the world - that is, the whole teaching Church: that the Church has officially promulgated, maintained for decades, and offers every day to God an illegitimate and sinful worship – a proposition condemned by the Magisterium – and that, therefore, the gates of hell have prevailed against her, which would be a heresy. Or else we would be adopting the sectarian principle that we alone are the Church, and outside of us there is no salvation, which would be another heresy. These positions cannot be accepted by a Catholic, either in theory or in practice.
"Our participation, therefore, is based on doctrinal principles. And it does not mean that we do not have reservations about the new rite, as we have already respectfully brought to the attention of the Holy See. Neither does our participation signify approval of everything that may happen. To be united to the hierarchy of the Church and in perfect communion with her does not mean approval of many errors that grow in the bosom of the Holy Church, provoked by her human part. And, of course, we lament profoundly with the Holy Father that the Liturgical Reform has given room for 'ambiguities, liberties, creativities, adaptations, reductions and instrumentalizations' (Ecclesia de Eucharistia, n. 10.52.61) and also has given 'origin to many abuses and led in a certain way to the disappearance of the respect due to the sacred' (Cardinal Edouard Gagnon, Offerten Situng – RŲemisches, nov.dez. 1993, p. 35). Above all, we reject every profanation of the Liturgy, for example the Masses in which the 'Liturgy degenerates into a "show," where one is tempted to make religion interesting with the help of silly changes in fashion...with momentary successes for the group of liturgical fabricators', as Cardinal Ratzinger criticized (Introduction to the book La Reforme Liturgique by Mgr. Klaus Gamber. p. 6).
For all these reasons, we preserve the venerable rite of St. Pius V, but 'cum Petro et sub Petro', in full communion."
Conclusion: I think that BullDogCath (and other like-minded "traditionalists") suffer from the condition known as "chutzpah" ["cheek"!]; however, in the knowledge that people like they and I! CAN return to the full-Communion with Holy Mother Church, I earnestly request prayers on our behalf.
Cheat Sheet on The Society of St Pius X (SSPX)
See "Annals Australasia's Un-official Home Page
What's New? at Sean Ó Lachtnáin's Home Page
Sean Ó Lachtnáin's Home Page
See also F. John Loughnan's Files on the SSPX